Police Pleasantly Surprised To Learn Man They Shot Was Armed
This is so fucked up. This movement to criminalize the police force has to end.
You do understand that you’re following an anarchist blog, right?
Are you opposed to differing opinions?
If you want the “movement to criminalize the police” to end, then here’s a good place to start.
- Protect people
- Rescue people
- Defend people
- report police misconduct
- enforce victimless crimes
- steal property
- enforce drug laws
- pull over people for seatbelts and speeding
- break into houses
- ticket the homeless
- ticket anyone
If you want people to see police as a defense force just like firefighters and paramedics, you’re gonna have to stop doing shit that’s illegal for anyone else to do.
As well, that one of the main purposes of the police force. To when necessary do the justified violence required to maintain safety and society so others do not have to.
The only justifiable violence is self defense.
Ah I see you’re speaking in reference of a perfect world? Nice. Get some life experience, training and maybe some slight understanding of the real world and try again.
When frustrated, the police officer reverts to insults. I’d hate to hear how you talk to drug offenders.
Now please, try explaining to me how any violence other than self defense is justifiable.
Defense of others, overcoming resistance to arrest, removing trespassers, remove violators of injunctions, enforcing evictions and writs or other court orders… I mean the list goes on and on.
Reposting for the first few comments, the cop is obviously out of touch with the people he is supposed to serve.
How so? Is it the stuffed animals I keep in my squad trunk to give to children I encounter on calls? Or is it the times I’ve decided to go ahead and yes issue the ticket for speeding after several nights before I had to give a death notification to a family who’s kid passed away from a car crash? Is it the fact that I’ve had to fight someone for the blade they just cut themselves with in an attempted suicide to then be able to provide aid until Medical could arrive on scene? I mean please explain what makes me so out of touch with those I put myself into danger to serve.
It’s the simple fact that you can’t possibly understand in the slightest that every cop isn’t as perfect as you make yourself out to be. The simple fact that even though the majority of cops don’t cause harm directly that enough do that we will no longer tolerate it. The fact that practices like civil forfeitures and militarization and heavy handed tactics, and the drug war have made us weary of you. The fact that you have no tact in dealing with people who have real emotions, who are dealing with real tragedies. That is why you are out of touch. You could be an ambassador for good cops everywhere, but instead you troll, and give credence to every vilification of cops out there.
You say I have no tact in dealing with people but I implore you to interpret that as a humanizing characteristic of a man with a badge. That yes, I do get upset and offended when my career and title which I would lay my life on is crucified.
I hear you man, but then do something about it. If you want people to see where your coming from you gotta see where they are coming from. Peoples lives are being lost in great numbers. Families destroyed, communities mourning. Know that every so called justified use of force isn’t always necessary or justified to us. That resisting arrest isn’t a death sentence. That being angry over bullshit with a cop isn’t a death sentence. That we don’t agree with certain legal practices, in fact we find them criminal. That we see you as the arbiters of a broken and unjust system.
And here’s the bottom line, if things don’t get better, it’s worse for all of us. It’s in both cops and civilian interests to repair the damage and bridge the gap.
No one is given a death sentence from law enforcement. When met with lethal force LE will respond with lethal force to end the immediate threat. Whether or not the suspect dies from that force is irrelevant as long as the threat is stopped.
I would completely agree with that statement if that’s what actually happened in the world. But too often the public sees the use of deadly force in situations were we see it as unwarranted. We aren’t pissed about people that shoot at cops getting shot, we are pissed at the use of more than necessary force (especially deadly) than what is required to resolve the situation.
Yes but see, you do not have the training nor experience LE does. You don’t understand use of force, what justifies it and what doesn’t. What the court burden of proof for use of force is. What case law dictates. Not to mention the criminal liability LE is burdened with if we don’t use enough force and the suspect hurts someone else.
As well, think about it. Every hands on encounter a cop gets into has the high potential to be a deadly force encounter. Why? Because we brought the gun! It’s right there on our hip. One of the biggest threats is being disarmed and having your own weapon used against you. Which is another reason that when cops have to go hands on with someone, they go in hard the first time and have it done and over quickly. Studies have shown that major injuries are highly less likely when law enforcement doesn’t hesitate to use force to gain control over a non compliant suspect. Even a passively resistant non compliant suspect.
Except your forgetting that protocol is to only use as much force that is necessary. Your last statement is exactly why people don’t like cops. First the burden of proof for use of force in case law? Riiiiiiight. Yeah big burden. Cops threw a fucking flashbang grenade into a babies crib while going after a low level drug offender, that wasn’t even in the fucking house at the time. They got off with a fucking warning. and use of force on even passively resistant detainees, like what someone calls you a pig and you get to kick them in the teeth, despite them being handcuffed already, all in the name of public safety. That’s bullshit. You’re actively describing exactly what people fucking hate about cops, and you’re just looking around like you don’t even get it.
Seriously, you just made an argument on why cops should be disarmed, some how thinking it was in defense of your position. You admit it yourself, the cops presence with a gun escalates and exacerbates the situation. Guess what, your job is to de-escalate situations, not send rockets to blow up ant hills.
And before you spout off again about training, I spent six years in the armed forces, and come from a long line of family members that have served in every conflict since WWII. And I have a real problem understanding how soldiers in an actual battlefield, where people are actually trying to kill them, can show more restraint and an ability to follow protocol. But here is one thing cops do share with soldiers, Americans’ rights are more important than your safety. If you don’t believe that, you shouldn’t be a cop, if the system doesn’t believe that, we will change the system.
Ahh. Emotional based arguments and examples that have no truth will usually win with the public unfortunately. An example of Passive resistance would be a simple refusal to obey a direct lawful order. Force justified would be a simple escort which is a simple guide to escort someone. If the suspect braces, tenses, or pulls away it is now active resistance.
Lol huh? Emotional response? Whatevs man, if you don’t get it, you don’t get it I guess. But if you want to disregard all legitimate complaints against cops as an emotional response so you don’t have to actually respond to the issues you have no explanation for, then be my guest. You make yourself and your position look weak.